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[SKYLINE]

I'd say any new vessel that can give the whalers hell is a good one.

[SarahHattrick]

So excited and glad that they have already got a ship. Any word if it will actually be called the "Sam Simon"?

[Arch]

Four months... Not sure if I have enough Cheetos's to make it that long.

[Arch]

http://www.ecorazzi....herd-wet-dream/

[SSCSRULES]

Arch, on 19 June 2012 - 07:08 PM, said:

http://www.ecorazzi....herd-wet-dream/

Make sure it's made out of steel or equip it with cannons and torpedos.

[Arch]

SSCSRULES, on 19 June 2012 - 07:22 PM, said:

Make sure it's made out of steel or equip it with cannons and torpedos.

The size is amazing, larger than the NM by 60 ft! I doubt its feasible and would personally put it in the unrealistic category or wet dream as the article is titled. It would be interesting to see the whalers response when it came up on the slipway!

[123nic]

Arch, on 19 June 2012 - 07:38 PM, said:

The size is amazing, larger than the NM by 60 ft! I doubt its feasible and would personally put it in the unrealistic category or wet dream as the article is titled. It would be interesting to see the whalers response when it came up on the slipway!

That thing would cost a billion dollars to build says Ady Gil in the commenting section of that page. It will absolutely never happen. I however believe that SSCS should buy up one of the older harpoon ships, refit it, suit it up for battle and as the whaling fleet departs into open water, we could drive the harpoon ship out and say,

SSCS under cover: Hey everybody, we're the new harpoon ship. They sent us along because they thought you were to incompetent to defend the Nisshin

ICR: Uh..... sounds legit to me.

So we follow them to the Southern Ocean and the second they get to 60 degrees, the entire SSCS fleet shows up. Flawless!!!

[Oceanadvocate16]

I know that it has been announced that Sam Simon will be funding the new SSCS ship--one with a reinforced hull, but I still think that it would be wise to post ships that we think are good matches for future SSCS ships. So here are the ships that II have found or especially like from the old POA thread--prepare yourselves because there is a lot. All credit for the ones that were listed on the POA thread goes to the people who found the specific vessels.

1. http://commercial.ap...phtml?id=184755
This one has been listed on POA's new ship possibilities thread. I think it has some solid value for SSCS.
Pros: Fast--cruising at 19 knots and peaking at 22 knots. This would allow it to keep pace with a Yushin from what I understand. Thus a valid strategy in my mind would have it tail a Yushin (a tactic turned bak on the whalers!) to keep that Yushin out of the game while the Steve, Bob and Bardot go for the Nisshin Maru. It also has a helideck and what appears to be a helicopter hangar. It also has at least one side crane for a Delta/RHIB. It has great range, 8,000 NM at 19 knots. If you recall, in episode of season 4, the Gojira was quoted at at making "a nearly 4,000 mile round trip" from port in Australia back to Antarctica. So theoretically, the ship could make two trips to and from Antarctica back to back. Finally, it can hold over 50 crew members.
Cons: Its 4 million 500 dollars! That would take another Bob Barker size donation with only 1 million left. However, that remaining 1 million could be used to conduct needed maintenance on the ship and buy a helicopter (same model as the Nancy Burnet, which is the one aboard the Steve Irwin)

2. http://commercial.ap...phtml?id=145122
This one has also been listed on the POA thread.
Pros: Its highly fast, can cruise at 19-20 knots and sprint at 22-23 knots, allowing it to possibly escape a tailing Yushin. It also has --I am not sure how it compares to the Bob Barker, but it should be able to stay in the Southern Ocean for a long period of time or refuel the Steve or Bardot. Its deck being able to hold 10 tonns of cargo could allow it to carry fuel drums like the Bob carries for more fuel for the other ships. it can hold 28000 liters of fuel and 2400 liters of water. I also wonder if the empty space under the ship between the two side walls/fins could be used to put a RHIB cradle---opening a front door to allow the RHIB to leave its "hangar".
Cons: I can't really see any, except its small size and aluminum hull might not make it fare as well in some of the worse Antarctic seas and weather.

3. http://commercial.ap...phtml?id=234008
I don't remember of this one was on the old POA forum, but I think it is a really great vessel for the cost and speed.
Pros: CRUISING speed of 25 knots, meaning it probably has a top/sprint speed of 26-28 knots!! It has a large amount of deck space; I am not sure if it could hold a helicopter, but it could certainly old 1-2 RHIBs and a bunch of fuel drums to extend the vessel's range!! At 1.2 million, which is less than the 1.5 million SSCS bought the Gojira/Bardot for and yet faster than the Bardot, I think this is a really swell interceptor vessel that would handle the Antarctic seas better.
Cons: It has an aluminum hull. It was primarily a crew vessel, meaning that it only starts with beds/bunks for 7-10 SSCS crew members. the boat's interior would have to be remodeled to add more beds/bunks to make it an effective SSCS vessel with enough crew to be on deck, effectively maintain the bridge and possibly run a RHIB mission at the same time.

4. http://commercial.ap...phtml?id=186587
This one is highly similar to
Pros: Basically the same ones as #3.
Cons: Less deck space than #3 due to a more prominent seating cabin for crew--from during its time as a crew/work vessel. Its cruising speed is listed as one knot slower (24) than #3's cruising speed.

5. http://commercial.ap...phtml?id=237350

Pros: Fast, cruising at 24.4 knots and sprinting at 26 knots. Can hold 42 crew members. The possible psychological effects of using a Japanese vessel against the whalers. It has a steel hull. Has a crane and space for 1-2 RHIBs. 2.200 NM range at 24.4 knots.
Cons: I can't think of any, however there might not be enough deck space for fuel drums.

6. http://www.yachtworl...-2394771/Canada
This vessel I like because of its ice class and huge space.
Pros: Can hold over 300 people, passengers and crew total. Some of this space and/or deck space could be converted into fuel drum storage space. three cranes, one at the front of the boat, and the other two at the back where there is a large space for RHIBs.Large side deck space that could be used for throwing buteric acid,methocelluose (slippery) powder and for shooting spud guns with the aforementioned items of of the ship onto whaling vessels. 17.2 knots, will easily keep up with the Nisshin Maru. Possibly enough deck space at the very back for a helicopter hangar--if you look at one of the pictures, it looks like there is a pad intended for helicopters to land on.
Cons: Its huge!!

7. http://commercial.ap...phtml?id=237178
I really don't think SSCS will have the money to get this, but I will list this anyway.
Pros: Its an icebreaker. Has a helipad with retractable helicopter hangar. has a large amount of cargo space that could be transformed into fuel tanks. A large amount of deck space that could hold 2-3 RHIB's. It has several 10 and 20 ton deck cranes that could be used to deploy RHIBs. Can carry 62 people, some of that living space could also be turned into fuel tank space like what was done with the Bob Barker. I would think that if it was ever purchased, it could serve in part as a fuel supply vessel for the rest of the fleet if the large holds were converted into fuel tanks.
Cons: Its 11 million dollars!!

8. http://commercial.ap...phtml?id=149871
These things are like more Ady Gils, but better!
Pros: 40 knot speed (again, cruising or top speed)!! If you look very closely at the back part of the picture on the listing page, you can see a stern ramp. A stern ramp is used to deploy RHIBs by letting them slide down out of the boat. I think this is great because there is less potential for mistakes like there is with a crane launch.
Cons: I can't think of any except need to refuel.

9. http://www.seaworthy.../pages/home.php
For people who don't know this part of Sea Shepherd's history, this is the Lady Chebucto that SSCS attempted to purchase before Operation Levithan, but the purchas was blocked when it became known Sea Shepherd was attempting to purchase the vessel. In response, the Sea Shepherds purchased the Westra, renamed it the Robert Hunter, although it is now known as SSCS's flagship, the Steve Irwin.
Pros: Decent speed, 16-17 knots. It is 55 meters long, which would put it really close to the length of the Steve Irwin. It is also Ice Class III, which I believe is the highest Ice Class rating possible. It would also make great headlines how the ship that Sea Shepherd was denied still made it into SSCS's hands. Has room for 1-2 RHIBs and a crane to deploy them.
Cons: Not that much deck space.

10.  or http://jose.kersten....=left&style=aap
This one was also mentioned on the old POA thread and is one of my favorites. According to the second link, Paul had once sent out an email asking for, but like the Lady Chebucto, the sale fell through. Perhaps with an intermediary, this sale could happen?
Pros: High top speed of 25 knots. Lots of deck space near the A-Frame that could be used to store 1-2 RHIB's and jet skis. Includes several other cranes, at least one that can launch RHIB's. A "fast attack craft"--25 knots is included. I think launching by A-Frame is particularly advantageous because in my mind there would not be as much danger to the crew being sent out from the rear of the boat on a mission whereas a Yushin or the Shonan Maru #2 could water cannon or side swipe a RHIB on the side of the ship before it got lowered into the water. It is also Ice Class. And to top it off, take a look at the fuel and water capacity below!!
Fuel Capacity
69290.16 (Gals US) 69290.16 (Gals UK) 315000 (Litres)
Water Capacity
14737.91 (Gals US) 14737.91 (Gals UK) 67000 (Litres)
Cons: I can't think of any!!

Boats for service in places like the Galapagos and Australia's Coral Sea:
1.http://commercial.ap...phtml?id=230060
This Japanese Fisheries patrol vessel has also been suggested on the POA thread, and I think it is an okay boat, but buying it for Antarctica just for the possible psychological effects of using a vessel built by their own people on the whalers does not justify a lower speed than the Steve Irwin. I think that it could be used to good effect in other campaigns such as anti-shark finning, where the vessels are not as fast and not as high-quality as the Japanese whaling vessels are.
Pros: Its a Japanese vessel, which might wreak some psychological havoc on the whalers similar or worse to the use of the Gojira,
Cons: At 15.36 knots, its just too slow for Antarctica and catching the whaling fleet--its like buying a worse version of the Steve Irwin. It allso can only hold 15 crew--which I don't think woul be very effective.
2. http://commercial.ap...html?aid=231099
Pros: It has a speed (whether that is cruising or top speed is unknown) of 44 knots.
Cons: Fibre glass, and we've seen how that fairs up in collisions or rough Antarctic seas, which is why these boats should not be sent to Antarctica. Located in Turkey, meaning it would be really hard and take a lot of time--due to the vessels probably low fuel capacity--to get to Australia.

That's all I have for now, what do you people think?

[123nic]

That's an amazing list. I especially liked 9, 10, and 5. If 10 is still an option, that thing would be unbeatable. That ship should be looked into again.

[crazyrob425]

Haha I remember recommending a few of those ships on POA, I was wondering where everyone from the forum went I guess here. Though I do think there is something to be said about having a quality crew on the ships like one that can pick out the Nisshin from the air or give him better equipment so he can stay far back but still get a better look.

Its ashame the camera man/producer of WW didn't tell the pilot that looks like the Nisshin not a Yushin, but that would have broken a documentarians code.

Either way what Sam Simon  is saying about the ship it will be a marine engineering feet to find at a cheap price.

[rlarsen76]

I can tell you, the ship we've been looking at is fantastic

[SSCS4EVER]

sscs wood like this http://commercial.apolloduck.com/feature.phtml?id=218093

[SSCS4EVER]

sscs wood like this http://www.lomocean....ts/cutting edge
or http://www.lomocean....rojects/defence

[ADA77]

I would say outriggers are disqualified........

[kerdoo]

there is a rumour going around its ex US navy

[SarahHattrick]

kerdoo, on 20 June 2012 - 04:20 PM, said:

there is a rumour going around its ex US navy

That would be cool

[ADA77]

There are still a number of WII US destroyers working in Navys world wide. Those would be awesome.

[andies007]

http://www.ecorazzi....erd-a-new-ship/

Sorry for the repost just saw in it the Sam Simon thread

[Arch]

Thought the stealth ship had a salvage requirement?

Wonder if its like the Sirenian / Yoshka that was donated to the Galapagos.


Donated Vessels in Service

Sirenian / Yoshka

http://www.seashephe...et_sirenian.jpg

This former U.S. Coast Guard patrol boat, built in 1955, was purchased by Sea Shepherd in 1991. She had powerful new engines installed in 1979 and can catch just about anything on the water.
In service with Sea Shepherd, she went up against Japanese pirate driftnetters and played a leading role in the efforts to protect gray whales from being hunted off Neah Bay, WA. In the fall of 1999, during a stand-off with whale hunt advocates, the Sirenian was sabotaged while in port in Seattle.
Recovered and fully overhauled, she left Seattle at the end of November 2000 for guard duty in the Galapagos National Park (GNP). Sea Shepherd entered into a five-year contract with the GNP to provide our fast boat as an enforcement patrol vessel. During that time, the Sirenian intervened against hundreds of illegal activities and seized numerous poaching vessels. These actions prevented the slaughter of thousands of sharks and other marine species. The Sirenian became an indispensable part of the Marine Reserve, and therefore, in October 2005, Captain Paul Watson signed a new agreement with the director of the GNP to keep the ship in the Galapagos on a permanent basis. Sea Shepherd donated the vessel to the GNP so that she could carry on her important enforcement duties. The ship will continue to display the Sea Shepherd logo and Sea Shepherd continues to play a vital role in its activities.
In 2006, the ship was renamed "Yoshka" and underwent an overhaul. The Yoshka is crewed by Galapagos National Park rangers and works in partnership with other vessels such as Guadalupe River, the Sierra Negra and several other smaller boats to protect the GNP from illegal fishing activities.

[123nic]

Arch, on 20 June 2012 - 07:36 PM, said:

Thought the stealth ship had a salvage requirement?

Wonder if its like the Sirenian / Yoshka that was donated to the Galapagos.


Donated Vessels in Service

Sirenian / Yoshka

http://www.seashephe...et_sirenian.jpg

This former U.S. Coast Guard patrol boat, built in 1955, was purchased by Sea Shepherd in 1991. She had powerful new engines installed in 1979 and can catch just about anything on the water.
In service with Sea Shepherd, she went up against Japanese pirate driftnetters and played a leading role in the efforts to protect gray whales from being hunted off Neah Bay, WA. In the fall of 1999, during a stand-off with whale hunt advocates, the Sirenian was sabotaged while in port in Seattle.
Recovered and fully overhauled, she left Seattle at the end of November 2000 for guard duty in the Galapagos National Park (GNP). Sea Shepherd entered into a five-year contract with the GNP to provide our fast boat as an enforcement patrol vessel. During that time, the Sirenian intervened against hundreds of illegal activities and seized numerous poaching vessels. These actions prevented the slaughter of thousands of sharks and other marine species. The Sirenian became an indispensable part of the Marine Reserve, and therefore, in October 2005, Captain Paul Watson signed a new agreement with the director of the GNP to keep the ship in the Galapagos on a permanent basis. Sea Shepherd donated the vessel to the GNP so that she could carry on her important enforcement duties. The ship will continue to display the Sea Shepherd logo and Sea Shepherd continues to play a vital role in its activities.
In 2006, the ship was renamed "Yoshka" and underwent an overhaul. The Yoshka is crewed by Galapagos National Park rangers and works in partnership with other vessels such as Guadalupe River, the Sierra Negra and several other smaller boats to protect the GNP from illegal fishing activities.

Possible, but the U.S. Coast Guard and the U.S. Navy operate very differently and they both have very separate ship designs.